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		<title>By: Hank</title>
		<link>http://shepherdtheflock.com/2008/05/28/what-makes-a-hypocrite/#comment-1810</link>
		<author>Hank</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 May 2008 01:33:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Nathan

I think a good sign for a hypocrite is not admitting we are one. We wouldn't truly be repentant if we didn't acknowledge our own hypocrisy in our lives.
Great post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nathan</p>
<p>I think a good sign for a hypocrite is not admitting we are one. We wouldn&#8217;t truly be repentant if we didn&#8217;t acknowledge our own hypocrisy in our lives.<br />
Great post.</p>
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		<title>By: fred</title>
		<link>http://shepherdtheflock.com/2008/05/28/what-makes-a-hypocrite/#comment-1811</link>
		<author>fred</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 May 2008 02:13:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Thanks for these words of admonition and encouragement Nathan. This is an area that I must continually work on and make sure I am sensitive to. Draw near to God and He will draw near to us. When we do this hypocrisy tends  furthur away.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for these words of admonition and encouragement Nathan. This is an area that I must continually work on and make sure I am sensitive to. Draw near to God and He will draw near to us. When we do this hypocrisy tends  furthur away.</p>
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		<title>By: James K</title>
		<link>http://shepherdtheflock.com/2008/05/28/what-makes-a-hypocrite/#comment-1812</link>
		<author>James K</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 May 2008 12:23:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>You might scoff, but I really think the people who really live authentic and sincere Christian lives are the Amish.   They are simple, humble and modest and care nothing for the world, and they look after each other while living a life of work, frequent prayer and austerity.   It's almost monastic.  They didn't even speak out with anger or revenge after a gunman murdered five of their children in a classroom.

Not everyone stays, of course, but from what I've encountered, hypocrisy is generally not a label I can attach to the Amish folk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You might scoff, but I really think the people who really live authentic and sincere Christian lives are the Amish.   They are simple, humble and modest and care nothing for the world, and they look after each other while living a life of work, frequent prayer and austerity.   It&#8217;s almost monastic.  They didn&#8217;t even speak out with anger or revenge after a gunman murdered five of their children in a classroom.</p>
<p>Not everyone stays, of course, but from what I&#8217;ve encountered, hypocrisy is generally not a label I can attach to the Amish folk.</p>
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		<title>By: davide</title>
		<link>http://shepherdtheflock.com/2008/05/28/what-makes-a-hypocrite/#comment-1813</link>
		<author>davide</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 May 2008 16:57:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>James,

I totaly disagree. I think that if there's any group of people that are hypocrites, its the Amish. I've been at amish country. They are legalists in the true sense of the word. They only emphasize the external and not the internal. Recently, it has been made known that there has been a lot of immmorality behind the scenes there. 

You cannot tell a hypocrite from how he "looks" or "acts." Hypocrites don't look like hypocrites. They look humble, they look spiritual, they look godly. Holiness has nothing to do with the way you dress, look, manner of living, or what kind of standards one has.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James,</p>
<p>I totaly disagree. I think that if there&#8217;s any group of people that are hypocrites, its the Amish. I&#8217;ve been at amish country. They are legalists in the true sense of the word. They only emphasize the external and not the internal. Recently, it has been made known that there has been a lot of immmorality behind the scenes there. </p>
<p>You cannot tell a hypocrite from how he &#8220;looks&#8221; or &#8220;acts.&#8221; Hypocrites don&#8217;t look like hypocrites. They look humble, they look spiritual, they look godly. Holiness has nothing to do with the way you dress, look, manner of living, or what kind of standards one has.</p>
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		<title>By: James K</title>
		<link>http://shepherdtheflock.com/2008/05/28/what-makes-a-hypocrite/#comment-1814</link>
		<author>James K</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 May 2008 18:34:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>"Holiness has nothing to do with the way you dress, look, manner of living, or what kind of standards one has."

So dressing in skimpy clothing or overly expensive clothing is "worldly" and not Christian, yet dressing simply is "all for show"?

Who lives up to your standard of being a Christian?  John Calvin because of his correct theology?  He also was not known as the "Pope of Geneva" for no reason: the man clearly had some questionable interior issues going on (lust for power, etc.)  

If everyone's a hypocrite and no behavior &lt;em&gt;cannot &lt;/em&gt;be declared hypocrisy, this doesn't seem like a very helpful post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Holiness has nothing to do with the way you dress, look, manner of living, or what kind of standards one has.&#8221;</p>
<p>So dressing in skimpy clothing or overly expensive clothing is &#8220;worldly&#8221; and not Christian, yet dressing simply is &#8220;all for show&#8221;?</p>
<p>Who lives up to your standard of being a Christian?  John Calvin because of his correct theology?  He also was not known as the &#8220;Pope of Geneva&#8221; for no reason: the man clearly had some questionable interior issues going on (lust for power, etc.)  </p>
<p>If everyone&#8217;s a hypocrite and no behavior <em>cannot </em>be declared hypocrisy, this doesn&#8217;t seem like a very helpful post.</p>
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		<title>By: fred</title>
		<link>http://shepherdtheflock.com/2008/05/28/what-makes-a-hypocrite/#comment-1815</link>
		<author>fred</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 May 2008 19:17:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>In all fairness, I live in Amish country. I believe that the separateness that they employ is  a wrong understanding of the call to be not like the world. It is a typical man centered legalism that all men are prone towards coming out of a zeal for holiness--not necessarily a zeal for God Himself. It is a form of works righteousness.  They do have a zeal for a holiness, but this zeal has become a god. Do not get me wrong. There is a sense in which I am envious of them. By shutting themselves up they do not have to deal with the problems of this world. But is that a dependence on God or is it a man manufactured self sufficiency---much like the monastics of old?

And yes, Calvin "may" have had some problems. But I think his reaction was to the wantonness of a Geneva in transition from Catholicism. He may well have been overbearing, but I think that we may be judging him a little rashly if we compare him with a pope in holiness---(which they weren't at that time.) Remember also that the referring to him as a pope was made by his enemies, not those tending towards holiness.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In all fairness, I live in Amish country. I believe that the separateness that they employ is  a wrong understanding of the call to be not like the world. It is a typical man centered legalism that all men are prone towards coming out of a zeal for holiness&#8211;not necessarily a zeal for God Himself. It is a form of works righteousness.  They do have a zeal for a holiness, but this zeal has become a god. Do not get me wrong. There is a sense in which I am envious of them. By shutting themselves up they do not have to deal with the problems of this world. But is that a dependence on God or is it a man manufactured self sufficiency&#8212;much like the monastics of old?</p>
<p>And yes, Calvin &#8220;may&#8221; have had some problems. But I think his reaction was to the wantonness of a Geneva in transition from Catholicism. He may well have been overbearing, but I think that we may be judging him a little rashly if we compare him with a pope in holiness&#8212;(which they weren&#8217;t at that time.) Remember also that the referring to him as a pope was made by his enemies, not those tending towards holiness.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Formella</title>
		<link>http://shepherdtheflock.com/2008/05/28/what-makes-a-hypocrite/#comment-1816</link>
		<author>Bill Formella</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 May 2008 19:58:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>James, there is much about the Amish life that I am envious of.  I've often thought that Christians need to be more mindful of where they settle for the sake of creating a visible community where the world can see our love for one another, and where we truly co-operate in the care of our families and homes, not just worshiping together with the occasional fellowship.  No, I'm not talking about creating and "pagan free" neighborhood.  But it would nice if we lived close enough together whereby fellowship on our front porches (anyone have those anymore?) would be visible, and we would be intentional in drawing our unconverted neighbors to be welcome witnesses to our being "one so that the world may know that the Father sent the Son".

However, the Amish community has gone too far in rejecting and separating from the outside world.  I've spent time in true Amish areas off the beaten path (not the commercialized ones), and they would rarely look at you.  The women would ALWAYS look away.  None of this seemed all that humble to me.  They've legislated the appearence of humilty but have rejected the substance.  How can you spread the gospel that way?

Anyway, back to the post.  Nathan, thank you for this fantastic reminder.  I saved your post as a document and plan to interject some of this into our family alter time.  And yes, Nathan, it did a samurai routine on my conscience as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James, there is much about the Amish life that I am envious of.  I&#8217;ve often thought that Christians need to be more mindful of where they settle for the sake of creating a visible community where the world can see our love for one another, and where we truly co-operate in the care of our families and homes, not just worshiping together with the occasional fellowship.  No, I&#8217;m not talking about creating and &#8220;pagan free&#8221; neighborhood.  But it would nice if we lived close enough together whereby fellowship on our front porches (anyone have those anymore?) would be visible, and we would be intentional in drawing our unconverted neighbors to be welcome witnesses to our being &#8220;one so that the world may know that the Father sent the Son&#8221;.</p>
<p>However, the Amish community has gone too far in rejecting and separating from the outside world.  I&#8217;ve spent time in true Amish areas off the beaten path (not the commercialized ones), and they would rarely look at you.  The women would ALWAYS look away.  None of this seemed all that humble to me.  They&#8217;ve legislated the appearence of humilty but have rejected the substance.  How can you spread the gospel that way?</p>
<p>Anyway, back to the post.  Nathan, thank you for this fantastic reminder.  I saved your post as a document and plan to interject some of this into our family alter time.  And yes, Nathan, it did a samurai routine on my conscience as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Hank</title>
		<link>http://shepherdtheflock.com/2008/05/28/what-makes-a-hypocrite/#comment-1817</link>
		<author>Hank</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 May 2008 20:53:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I think we are talking about 2 seperate types of hypocrisy. Outward and inward. We can label this or that outwardly, and rightly so, but its the hypocrisy of the heart is what we suffer from the worst, yet it often receives the least attention.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think we are talking about 2 seperate types of hypocrisy. Outward and inward. We can label this or that outwardly, and rightly so, but its the hypocrisy of the heart is what we suffer from the worst, yet it often receives the least attention.</p>
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		<title>By: fred</title>
		<link>http://shepherdtheflock.com/2008/05/28/what-makes-a-hypocrite/#comment-1818</link>
		<author>fred</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 May 2008 22:57:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>"How can you spread the gospel that way?"

I know of one and have heard of several more people tell that once they became truly saved within the Amish faith, they felt they had to leave that faith (Amish) for it was not a true faith (works righteousness).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;How can you spread the gospel that way?&#8221;</p>
<p>I know of one and have heard of several more people tell that once they became truly saved within the Amish faith, they felt they had to leave that faith (Amish) for it was not a true faith (works righteousness).</p>
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		<title>By: davide</title>
		<link>http://shepherdtheflock.com/2008/05/28/what-makes-a-hypocrite/#comment-1819</link>
		<author>davide</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jun 2008 02:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>James,

“Holiness has nothing to do with the way you dress, look, manner of living, or what kind of standards one has.”

What I meant was this: Just because someone wears a certain article of clothing or chooses a certain style of living doesn't mean that they are not hypocrites. Neither does it mean they are holy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James,</p>
<p>“Holiness has nothing to do with the way you dress, look, manner of living, or what kind of standards one has.”</p>
<p>What I meant was this: Just because someone wears a certain article of clothing or chooses a certain style of living doesn&#8217;t mean that they are not hypocrites. Neither does it mean they are holy.</p>
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		<title>By: Nathan White</title>
		<link>http://shepherdtheflock.com/2008/05/28/what-makes-a-hypocrite/#comment-1820</link>
		<author>Nathan White</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jun 2008 02:48:44 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://shepherdtheflock.com/2008/05/28/what-makes-a-hypocrite/#comment-1820</guid>
					<description>Hank--
Good to hear from you again, brother; hope all is well. I agree with your words. 

James--
Why would you berate people here with such things as "Who lives up to your standard of being a Christian? John Calvin"? I can assure you this: whatever *the* standard of holiness is, it sure isn't your attitude. 

Nevertheless, we are talking about inward holiness, not just an outward appearance holiness. The Pharisees were the certainly the outwardly holy people of their day, but inwardly they were ravenous wolves. I agree with the others here that from what I've read/seen about Amish, they are big on outward holiness in what is often self-righteousness. IMO, often times the most outwardly religious/strict/counter-cultural religious zealots are so because their theology teaches them that they must *work* to *obtain* salvation by merit (see the Mormons for an example). When salvation is based upon works, you'd be amazed what people will do outwardly to try to prove to themselves, others, and God, that they have made themselves righteous. See the Monks for another example of this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hank&#8211;<br />
Good to hear from you again, brother; hope all is well. I agree with your words. </p>
<p>James&#8211;<br />
Why would you berate people here with such things as &#8220;Who lives up to your standard of being a Christian? John Calvin&#8221;? I can assure you this: whatever *the* standard of holiness is, it sure isn&#8217;t your attitude. </p>
<p>Nevertheless, we are talking about inward holiness, not just an outward appearance holiness. The Pharisees were the certainly the outwardly holy people of their day, but inwardly they were ravenous wolves. I agree with the others here that from what I&#8217;ve read/seen about Amish, they are big on outward holiness in what is often self-righteousness. IMO, often times the most outwardly religious/strict/counter-cultural religious zealots are so because their theology teaches them that they must *work* to *obtain* salvation by merit (see the Mormons for an example). When salvation is based upon works, you&#8217;d be amazed what people will do outwardly to try to prove to themselves, others, and God, that they have made themselves righteous. See the Monks for another example of this.</p>
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		<title>By: James K</title>
		<link>http://shepherdtheflock.com/2008/05/28/what-makes-a-hypocrite/#comment-1821</link>
		<author>James K</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jun 2008 11:11:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Wherever there are moral or spiritual norms, there will be hypocrisy.  I don't think it's errant to say that no one completely lives up to the values they profess, even if they agree with and value those ideals.   I'm not saying I like it or that we should trivialize it, but it seems to be the way things are, even among those whom you might consider "real believers".   Perhaps that plank in our own eye as mentioned by St. Paul is always going to be there, and hence, we must judge the specks of others in that light.   

In terms of this faith vs. works issue, the more I read of it the less I understand it.   Are people who are not normally disposed to a life of virtue supposed to simply act out on every base impulse until Christ cures them of their spiritual afflictions?   If there remains a man of sin (and St. Paul acknowledges that this the case), I would think there must be some effort, some "striving", in overcoming that in something other than a passive manner.    One may not earn their salvation, but we are also told to "work out our salvation in fear and trembling" which I think implies that the there is a road towards sanctification.  There will be a duration in our lives where the interior dispositions and the outward face we show to others are not going to be in sync.

If, however, you are deeming hypocrisy to be the type of self-glorifying show as seen in some televangelists who profit by appearing to be holy, that's another story altogether!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wherever there are moral or spiritual norms, there will be hypocrisy.  I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s errant to say that no one completely lives up to the values they profess, even if they agree with and value those ideals.   I&#8217;m not saying I like it or that we should trivialize it, but it seems to be the way things are, even among those whom you might consider &#8220;real believers&#8221;.   Perhaps that plank in our own eye as mentioned by St. Paul is always going to be there, and hence, we must judge the specks of others in that light.   </p>
<p>In terms of this faith vs. works issue, the more I read of it the less I understand it.   Are people who are not normally disposed to a life of virtue supposed to simply act out on every base impulse until Christ cures them of their spiritual afflictions?   If there remains a man of sin (and St. Paul acknowledges that this the case), I would think there must be some effort, some &#8220;striving&#8221;, in overcoming that in something other than a passive manner.    One may not earn their salvation, but we are also told to &#8220;work out our salvation in fear and trembling&#8221; which I think implies that the there is a road towards sanctification.  There will be a duration in our lives where the interior dispositions and the outward face we show to others are not going to be in sync.</p>
<p>If, however, you are deeming hypocrisy to be the type of self-glorifying show as seen in some televangelists who profit by appearing to be holy, that&#8217;s another story altogether!</p>
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		<title>By: David Fisher</title>
		<link>http://shepherdtheflock.com/2008/05/28/what-makes-a-hypocrite/#comment-1826</link>
		<author>David Fisher</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 02:27:42 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://shepherdtheflock.com/2008/05/28/what-makes-a-hypocrite/#comment-1826</guid>
					<description>Nathan, dear brother:

Thank you for penning these challenging words!  They were much needed in my own life.  God has used you to challenge me to the quick.  Thanks for following God's leading to write what He placed on your heart.

I've used this post on Pilgrim Scribblings.  Trust that is O.K.

Keep writing the truth!

Your brother,

David Fisher</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nathan, dear brother:</p>
<p>Thank you for penning these challenging words!  They were much needed in my own life.  God has used you to challenge me to the quick.  Thanks for following God&#8217;s leading to write what He placed on your heart.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve used this post on Pilgrim Scribblings.  Trust that is O.K.</p>
<p>Keep writing the truth!</p>
<p>Your brother,</p>
<p>David Fisher</p>
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		<title>By: Nathan White</title>
		<link>http://shepherdtheflock.com/2008/05/28/what-makes-a-hypocrite/#comment-1828</link>
		<author>Nathan White</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 01:42:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>David--
You are very kind; thank you for the encouragement. O how I struggle with many of these things, and can only find comfort in looking to the merits of our Lord Jesus Christ. What a blessed Savior we have, huh? I'm thankful that maybe my convictions have blessed you and your readers. Press on my friend,
Nathan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David&#8211;<br />
You are very kind; thank you for the encouragement. O how I struggle with many of these things, and can only find comfort in looking to the merits of our Lord Jesus Christ. What a blessed Savior we have, huh? I&#8217;m thankful that maybe my convictions have blessed you and your readers. Press on my friend,<br />
Nathan</p>
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