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	<title>Comments on: He Who Endures Shall be Saved</title>
	<link>http://shepherdtheflock.com/2008/02/03/he-who-endures-shall-be-saved/</link>
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		<title>By: D. L. Kane</title>
		<link>http://shepherdtheflock.com/2008/02/03/he-who-endures-shall-be-saved/#comment-1514</link>
		<author>D. L. Kane</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Feb 2008 15:50:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Great Post - My heart has been burdened by this very thing for years.  One of the puritans (can't recall who) wrote a treatise entitiled, "Taking Christ and Salvation Lightly" in which he teaches on this very danger.  As I have said before, "I would rather be a genuine born-again believer who doubts my salvation, then an unregenrate sinner with a false assurance".

It's encouraging to know that God is placing a similar burden on the hearts of some of the saints.

Blessings to You,
D.L. Kane</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great Post - My heart has been burdened by this very thing for years.  One of the puritans (can&#8217;t recall who) wrote a treatise entitiled, &#8220;Taking Christ and Salvation Lightly&#8221; in which he teaches on this very danger.  As I have said before, &#8220;I would rather be a genuine born-again believer who doubts my salvation, then an unregenrate sinner with a false assurance&#8221;.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s encouraging to know that God is placing a similar burden on the hearts of some of the saints.</p>
<p>Blessings to You,<br />
D.L. Kane</p>
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		<title>By: Nathan White</title>
		<link>http://shepherdtheflock.com/2008/02/03/he-who-endures-shall-be-saved/#comment-1515</link>
		<author>Nathan White</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Feb 2008 22:05:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>D.L.,
I'm going to check out that Puritan title. And certainly, assurance of salvation is a wonderful and obtainable thing, but it should never be emphasized above the necessity to 'endure'. Salvation is anything but a one time event....(even though our justification before God is).

Thank you for the kind words,
Nathan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>D.L.,<br />
I&#8217;m going to check out that Puritan title. And certainly, assurance of salvation is a wonderful and obtainable thing, but it should never be emphasized above the necessity to &#8216;endure&#8217;. Salvation is anything but a one time event&#8230;.(even though our justification before God is).</p>
<p>Thank you for the kind words,<br />
Nathan</p>
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		<title>By: Davide</title>
		<link>http://shepherdtheflock.com/2008/02/03/he-who-endures-shall-be-saved/#comment-1517</link>
		<author>Davide</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2008 14:51:20 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://shepherdtheflock.com/2008/02/03/he-who-endures-shall-be-saved/#comment-1517</guid>
					<description>I'm reminded of the parable of the sower and seed:

"As for what was sown on rocky ground, this is the one who hears the word and immediately receives it with joy, yet he has no root in himself, but endures for a while, and when tribulation or persecution arises on account of the word, immediately he falls away. As for what was sown among thorns, this is the one who hears the word, but the cares of the world and the deceitfulness of riches choke the word, and it proves unfruitful.

Both seeds readily and sincerely received the gospel, but did not endure to the end. A sad reality</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m reminded of the parable of the sower and seed:</p>
<p>&#8220;As for what was sown on rocky ground, this is the one who hears the word and immediately receives it with joy, yet he has no root in himself, but endures for a while, and when tribulation or persecution arises on account of the word, immediately he falls away. As for what was sown among thorns, this is the one who hears the word, but the cares of the world and the deceitfulness of riches choke the word, and it proves unfruitful.</p>
<p>Both seeds readily and sincerely received the gospel, but did not endure to the end. A sad reality</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
		<link>http://shepherdtheflock.com/2008/02/03/he-who-endures-shall-be-saved/#comment-1518</link>
		<author>Robert</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2008 17:40:46 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://shepherdtheflock.com/2008/02/03/he-who-endures-shall-be-saved/#comment-1518</guid>
					<description>I wholeheartedly agree,
I believe that once we are saved, we cannot be unsaved BUT the fruit of that salavation is that we will persevere to the end! 

I don't think that they are mutually exclusive.

I'm blessed by your posts Nathan, keep 'em coming</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wholeheartedly agree,<br />
I believe that once we are saved, we cannot be unsaved BUT the fruit of that salavation is that we will persevere to the end! </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think that they are mutually exclusive.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m blessed by your posts Nathan, keep &#8216;em coming</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Lindsey</title>
		<link>http://shepherdtheflock.com/2008/02/03/he-who-endures-shall-be-saved/#comment-1520</link>
		<author>Andrew Lindsey</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2008 18:50:31 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://shepherdtheflock.com/2008/02/03/he-who-endures-shall-be-saved/#comment-1520</guid>
					<description>Nathan,

How do you think that the truth you expound in this post impacts the question of whether a suicide may be admitted into heaven?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nathan,</p>
<p>How do you think that the truth you expound in this post impacts the question of whether a suicide may be admitted into heaven?</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Bollen</title>
		<link>http://shepherdtheflock.com/2008/02/03/he-who-endures-shall-be-saved/#comment-1521</link>
		<author>Paul Bollen</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2008 20:23:40 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://shepherdtheflock.com/2008/02/03/he-who-endures-shall-be-saved/#comment-1521</guid>
					<description>I have been taught that we need to look meanings of words before we make them say whatever we want them to say. The word "Save" has more than one meaning in Strong's Concordence of "Delivered." The old teachings of this word has three teachings.  1. Saved from our sins eternality. 2. Saved through this world, "Even baptism doeth now save you... Godly women shall be saved in childbearing..." ( does this mean that for women to be saves and  go to heaven, by only bearing children, I think not, it was from death while delivering children) "Eight souls saved in the ark..." (These were delivered from death of the earth's destruction of the flood.) 3. Saved us to heaven... to be delivered from this world to the next, to heaven this is a phraise used by older men when they publicly prayed..."Lord now save us in Heaven."  "He that endureth to the end shall be saved," It isn't saying that if they survived the things that Christ fortold about the destruction of 70AD that this is only to be saved eternally. These verses teach deleverance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been taught that we need to look meanings of words before we make them say whatever we want them to say. The word &#8220;Save&#8221; has more than one meaning in Strong&#8217;s Concordence of &#8220;Delivered.&#8221; The old teachings of this word has three teachings.  1. Saved from our sins eternality. 2. Saved through this world, &#8220;Even baptism doeth now save you&#8230; Godly women shall be saved in childbearing&#8230;&#8221; ( does this mean that for women to be saves and  go to heaven, by only bearing children, I think not, it was from death while delivering children) &#8220;Eight souls saved in the ark&#8230;&#8221; (These were delivered from death of the earth&#8217;s destruction of the flood.) 3. Saved us to heaven&#8230; to be delivered from this world to the next, to heaven this is a phraise used by older men when they publicly prayed&#8230;&#8221;Lord now save us in Heaven.&#8221;  &#8220;He that endureth to the end shall be saved,&#8221; It isn&#8217;t saying that if they survived the things that Christ fortold about the destruction of 70AD that this is only to be saved eternally. These verses teach deleverance.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Bollen</title>
		<link>http://shepherdtheflock.com/2008/02/03/he-who-endures-shall-be-saved/#comment-1522</link>
		<author>Paul Bollen</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2008 20:30:08 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://shepherdtheflock.com/2008/02/03/he-who-endures-shall-be-saved/#comment-1522</guid>
					<description>Nathan:
About suicide, what did Samson do before he pushed in the supports of the pagan temple? He killed himself also. What did the Bible record about this event?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nathan:<br />
About suicide, what did Samson do before he pushed in the supports of the pagan temple? He killed himself also. What did the Bible record about this event?</p>
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		<title>By: Nathan White</title>
		<link>http://shepherdtheflock.com/2008/02/03/he-who-endures-shall-be-saved/#comment-1523</link>
		<author>Nathan White</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2008 21:32:54 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://shepherdtheflock.com/2008/02/03/he-who-endures-shall-be-saved/#comment-1523</guid>
					<description>Paul said:
"These verses teach deleverance." 
  
I understand that the word 'saved' has different meanings depending on the context. I would of course argue that Jesus did use this word many times in reference to eternal salvation, in addition to His use of it in the context of temporal deliverance. 
  
However, for this reason I added the Hebrews passages, and could have added many more. Clearly, along with the parable that Davide quotes above, the concept/doctrine that is at the heart of my post is the teaching of Holy Scripture.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul said:<br />
&#8220;These verses teach deleverance.&#8221;<br />
 <br />
I understand that the word &#8217;saved&#8217; has different meanings depending on the context. I would of course argue that Jesus did use this word many times in reference to eternal salvation, in addition to His use of it in the context of temporal deliverance.<br />
 <br />
However, for this reason I added the Hebrews passages, and could have added many more. Clearly, along with the parable that Davide quotes above, the concept/doctrine that is at the heart of my post is the teaching of Holy Scripture.</p>
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		<title>By: Nathan White</title>
		<link>http://shepherdtheflock.com/2008/02/03/he-who-endures-shall-be-saved/#comment-1524</link>
		<author>Nathan White</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2008 21:34:19 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://shepherdtheflock.com/2008/02/03/he-who-endures-shall-be-saved/#comment-1524</guid>
					<description>Andrew said: 
How do you think that the truth you expound in this post impacts the question of whether a suicide may be admitted into heaven?
 
Andrew, excellent and very challenging question. Here are a few thoughts: 
  
-I hesitate to speak where scripture is silent, for I'm not aware of a scripture passage that speaks to the issue of suicide. 
  
-Secondly, we must not read your question with the underlying assumption that suicide is always, without exception, clear-evidence that the person did not persevere in faith. We all stumble in many ways, and sinning right before death should not be looked at as any worse than sinning a week before death. For example, what of the person who has an unrepentant grudge within his heart at the time of death? Hate, of course, is murder in its infancy. Unrepentant and habitual hate is evidence that someone is outside of Christ, but inward 'hate', in a fleeting moment right before death (if real 'hate' is even possible for a child of God), would not necessarily be evidence of a false faith. 
  
-Lastly, I'm inclined to say that more often than not, a person committing suicide was probably not a true believer, but that we cannot affirm this with 100% certainty. Faith in Christ is just that, it is faith in and the resting in the merits of Christ as our only hope for reconciliation with the Father and escape from our deserved condemnation. Faith in Christ is not a complete absence of sin --even a sin as heinous as suicide. 
  
Ironically, I just read about this very issue in the excellent John Piper book, The Hidden Smile of God. In the book, the great hymn-writer William Cowper is described as attempting (but failing) to commit suicide on many occasions --even after his conversion. Piper briefly considers whether or not we can affirm that Cowper was in Christ given these troubling facts, but he concludes without a doubt (in his mind) that Cowper was indeed a true believer, though troubled with deep depression.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andrew said:<br />
How do you think that the truth you expound in this post impacts the question of whether a suicide may be admitted into heaven?</p>
<p>Andrew, excellent and very challenging question. Here are a few thoughts:<br />
 <br />
-I hesitate to speak where scripture is silent, for I&#8217;m not aware of a scripture passage that speaks to the issue of suicide.<br />
 <br />
-Secondly, we must not read your question with the underlying assumption that suicide is always, without exception, clear-evidence that the person did not persevere in faith. We all stumble in many ways, and sinning right before death should not be looked at as any worse than sinning a week before death. For example, what of the person who has an unrepentant grudge within his heart at the time of death? Hate, of course, is murder in its infancy. Unrepentant and habitual hate is evidence that someone is outside of Christ, but inward &#8216;hate&#8217;, in a fleeting moment right before death (if real &#8216;hate&#8217; is even possible for a child of God), would not necessarily be evidence of a false faith.<br />
 <br />
-Lastly, I&#8217;m inclined to say that more often than not, a person committing suicide was probably not a true believer, but that we cannot affirm this with 100% certainty. Faith in Christ is just that, it is faith in and the resting in the merits of Christ as our only hope for reconciliation with the Father and escape from our deserved condemnation. Faith in Christ is not a complete absence of sin &#8211;even a sin as heinous as suicide.<br />
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Ironically, I just read about this very issue in the excellent John Piper book, The Hidden Smile of God. In the book, the great hymn-writer William Cowper is described as attempting (but failing) to commit suicide on many occasions &#8211;even after his conversion. Piper briefly considers whether or not we can affirm that Cowper was in Christ given these troubling facts, but he concludes without a doubt (in his mind) that Cowper was indeed a true believer, though troubled with deep depression.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Lindsey</title>
		<link>http://shepherdtheflock.com/2008/02/03/he-who-endures-shall-be-saved/#comment-1528</link>
		<author>Andrew Lindsey</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 14:18:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Nathan,

I appreciate your answer. It's always easy for people to gloss over these questions in order to attempt to bring comfort to the hurting, but (as I think your answer demonstrates) true comfort comes through dependence on God's Word and a whole-Bible understanding of how to address difficult situations.

-Andrew</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nathan,</p>
<p>I appreciate your answer. It&#8217;s always easy for people to gloss over these questions in order to attempt to bring comfort to the hurting, but (as I think your answer demonstrates) true comfort comes through dependence on God&#8217;s Word and a whole-Bible understanding of how to address difficult situations.</p>
<p>-Andrew</p>
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		<title>By: Shepherd the Flock &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Perseverance is just as important as conversion</title>
		<link>http://shepherdtheflock.com/2008/02/03/he-who-endures-shall-be-saved/#comment-1548</link>
		<author>Shepherd the Flock &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Perseverance is just as important as conversion</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2008 22:30:09 +0000</pubDate>
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