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	<title>Comments on: Christianity is just so simple&#8230;right?</title>
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		<title>By: Thomas Twitchell</title>
		<link>http://shepherdtheflock.com/2008/01/21/christianity-is-just-so-simpleright/#comment-1480</link>
		<author>Thomas Twitchell</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jan 2008 19:46:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Interesting point. Have you considered that the complacency of Christians, and I mean the ease of it, no matter what you're doing in it, is as much persecution as any? You touched on the enemy within and the Psalms are so filled with David's external and internal struggles and beseeches God's deliverance from both. Now, my question, when we look at the elder brother of the prodigal storey, just who was the prodigal? On whom do we have the greatest compassion, the one disciplined enough to remain at home in mind, but not in heart, or the one undisciplined to remain at home in mind, but disciplined in heart? When we see ourselves as products of an affluent society, basking in our pleasures like fat seals on the beach, gorged with fish, do we consider that our ease is our enemy? Or, do we think that our complaceny toward our ease is? Paul's instruction was that what ever state we find ourselves we should learn to be content with it. Is that perhaps the problem, discontent? When you look at the prodigal story, what is at the root of both brothers disobedience? We suffer persecutions just as great, just as small as all of our brothers everywhere. True they are different in kind, but no different in cause. The cause is sin in us, and the discipline of the Father is that he will allow us to go or stay, but in the end it remains his house, and not ours, to do with as he wills. We may think that because we escape the edge of the sword that we will escape the executioner, but an obese man dying of his gluttoness ways still dies. Vanity, says the Preacher, in all this I have learned, God gives, and it is God who takes away. The way he does it remains to us a mystery, but it still costs the same no matter who we are, our life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting point. Have you considered that the complacency of Christians, and I mean the ease of it, no matter what you&#8217;re doing in it, is as much persecution as any? You touched on the enemy within and the Psalms are so filled with David&#8217;s external and internal struggles and beseeches God&#8217;s deliverance from both. Now, my question, when we look at the elder brother of the prodigal storey, just who was the prodigal? On whom do we have the greatest compassion, the one disciplined enough to remain at home in mind, but not in heart, or the one undisciplined to remain at home in mind, but disciplined in heart? When we see ourselves as products of an affluent society, basking in our pleasures like fat seals on the beach, gorged with fish, do we consider that our ease is our enemy? Or, do we think that our complaceny toward our ease is? Paul&#8217;s instruction was that what ever state we find ourselves we should learn to be content with it. Is that perhaps the problem, discontent? When you look at the prodigal story, what is at the root of both brothers disobedience? We suffer persecutions just as great, just as small as all of our brothers everywhere. True they are different in kind, but no different in cause. The cause is sin in us, and the discipline of the Father is that he will allow us to go or stay, but in the end it remains his house, and not ours, to do with as he wills. We may think that because we escape the edge of the sword that we will escape the executioner, but an obese man dying of his gluttoness ways still dies. Vanity, says the Preacher, in all this I have learned, God gives, and it is God who takes away. The way he does it remains to us a mystery, but it still costs the same no matter who we are, our life.</p>
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		<title>By: Nathan White</title>
		<link>http://shepherdtheflock.com/2008/01/21/christianity-is-just-so-simpleright/#comment-1481</link>
		<author>Nathan White</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2008 03:02:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Brother TT,
If I weren't crazy, I'd say you sound a little fatalistic :)

Really, though, I was hinting more at the 'professing' Christian culture rather than the actual elect themselves. It is the culture, in it's dumbing down of doctrine (while ironically making Christianity a simple act of the mind), lowering of standards, ignorance of the call to holiness, and basic Arminianism that widens the gate of Jesus' call to repent, that I specifically had in mind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brother TT,<br />
If I weren&#8217;t crazy, I&#8217;d say you sound a little fatalistic <img src='http://shepherdtheflock.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Really, though, I was hinting more at the &#8216;professing&#8217; Christian culture rather than the actual elect themselves. It is the culture, in it&#8217;s dumbing down of doctrine (while ironically making Christianity a simple act of the mind), lowering of standards, ignorance of the call to holiness, and basic Arminianism that widens the gate of Jesus&#8217; call to repent, that I specifically had in mind.</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas Twitchell</title>
		<link>http://shepherdtheflock.com/2008/01/21/christianity-is-just-so-simpleright/#comment-1482</link>
		<author>Thomas Twitchell</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2008 03:33:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Well, ya, in a rounda about sort of way.

It needs to be preached, there is an answer. It is not without hope. Then too, we must realized that Ecc 1 is Scripture too. It is not fruitless. I wish I could understand the wisdom of God that he has seen it should be this way. I think one part of it is that people like you who will tell others that vain worship is no worship at all are forced in to service. God forbid if you do not preach the Gospel, right? Even the elect are warned to be diligent, and a prophet will not go without reward.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, ya, in a rounda about sort of way.</p>
<p>It needs to be preached, there is an answer. It is not without hope. Then too, we must realized that Ecc 1 is Scripture too. It is not fruitless. I wish I could understand the wisdom of God that he has seen it should be this way. I think one part of it is that people like you who will tell others that vain worship is no worship at all are forced in to service. God forbid if you do not preach the Gospel, right? Even the elect are warned to be diligent, and a prophet will not go without reward.</p>
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		<title>By: Rod</title>
		<link>http://shepherdtheflock.com/2008/01/21/christianity-is-just-so-simpleright/#comment-1483</link>
		<author>Rod</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2008 07:14:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Ah, yes, two tragic words come to mind when we think of 21st Century American Christianity...easy and accomodation.  All is so easy (and ineffective) because we have accomodated the world.

It's been a long while since I've read your blog.  I'm glad you're still thoughtful and contemplative.  Still interested in pastoring?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, yes, two tragic words come to mind when we think of 21st Century American Christianity&#8230;easy and accomodation.  All is so easy (and ineffective) because we have accomodated the world.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s been a long while since I&#8217;ve read your blog.  I&#8217;m glad you&#8217;re still thoughtful and contemplative.  Still interested in pastoring?</p>
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		<title>By: Nathan White</title>
		<link>http://shepherdtheflock.com/2008/01/21/christianity-is-just-so-simpleright/#comment-1484</link>
		<author>Nathan White</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2008 14:12:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Hey Rod, 
Nice to have you drop by. Yes, I am still interested in pursuing pastoral ministry, but recently I've been re-thinking exactly how to do so. Specifically, I am no longer convinced that seminary is necessary for the calling, though I would like to go. My family is certainly more important than my schooling, and seminary might be just a 'righteous' way to pursue my own desires under the banner of 'ministry'. That's not to say that its out of the question, but only that I'm re-thinking things and taking it slow.

Thanks for asking, brother. I hope you too are doing well in the Lord.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Rod,<br />
Nice to have you drop by. Yes, I am still interested in pursuing pastoral ministry, but recently I&#8217;ve been re-thinking exactly how to do so. Specifically, I am no longer convinced that seminary is necessary for the calling, though I would like to go. My family is certainly more important than my schooling, and seminary might be just a &#8216;righteous&#8217; way to pursue my own desires under the banner of &#8216;ministry&#8217;. That&#8217;s not to say that its out of the question, but only that I&#8217;m re-thinking things and taking it slow.</p>
<p>Thanks for asking, brother. I hope you too are doing well in the Lord.</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas Twitchell</title>
		<link>http://shepherdtheflock.com/2008/01/21/christianity-is-just-so-simpleright/#comment-1485</link>
		<author>Thomas Twitchell</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2008 01:33:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Rod,

I thought the two tragic words were 21st Century and American. ; )

Seriously though, it is amazing that the "old guys" saw these same problems in their own place and  time. For Ryle, it was the 19th Century and Liverpool, England. My guess is this, while they pointed to decadence and the depravity of narcissism in their own time, it was their faithfulness to the message of the Gospel  that turned some men around. As a prophet is not without honor except in his own town, Liverpool gave us the Beatles. Though we have had sound voices, their time is not yet. Decadence and sensuality have not fully drawn the church into the pit. When they do, we can be sure that there will be a Jeremiah there telling the people how they got there, and how to get out.

Our biggest mistake it to say of ourselves that it won't happen to us, were to smartsy. We've come a long way, baby! We've read the Scripture, we have all these "old guys" guiding us, surely we are not like those sinners....

How then to raise the standard of persecution from without and thereby raise the standard of obedience within?  Preach this Isaiah 53 with this Psalm 2. Tell the world he is coming and he is not happy. 

I am not as pessimistic or fatalistic as it appeared above, but I am saying this, it is not over until its over. Which is one reason that the "old guys" are a valuable read. They have already been where we are, and they point to where we will return. The Word crys out to us "...a dog returns to its own vomit" but more pertinent to the church, "...will He find faith?" In typical fashion on the night that he was betrayed he took the disciples to the Mount and there warned them to be diligent, but what he found was that they were still asleep. Love those living parables! Of course, if things had not gone the way the were planned the Jews would not have crucified the Lord of Glory, then where would we be?

From this and other places I gather we can expect more of the same, and the kingdom will be measured by the wise virgins who were prepared, not by those who were not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rod,</p>
<p>I thought the two tragic words were 21st Century and American. ; )</p>
<p>Seriously though, it is amazing that the &#8220;old guys&#8221; saw these same problems in their own place and  time. For Ryle, it was the 19th Century and Liverpool, England. My guess is this, while they pointed to decadence and the depravity of narcissism in their own time, it was their faithfulness to the message of the Gospel  that turned some men around. As a prophet is not without honor except in his own town, Liverpool gave us the Beatles. Though we have had sound voices, their time is not yet. Decadence and sensuality have not fully drawn the church into the pit. When they do, we can be sure that there will be a Jeremiah there telling the people how they got there, and how to get out.</p>
<p>Our biggest mistake it to say of ourselves that it won&#8217;t happen to us, were to smartsy. We&#8217;ve come a long way, baby! We&#8217;ve read the Scripture, we have all these &#8220;old guys&#8221; guiding us, surely we are not like those sinners&#8230;.</p>
<p>How then to raise the standard of persecution from without and thereby raise the standard of obedience within?  Preach this Isaiah 53 with this Psalm 2. Tell the world he is coming and he is not happy. </p>
<p>I am not as pessimistic or fatalistic as it appeared above, but I am saying this, it is not over until its over. Which is one reason that the &#8220;old guys&#8221; are a valuable read. They have already been where we are, and they point to where we will return. The Word crys out to us &#8220;&#8230;a dog returns to its own vomit&#8221; but more pertinent to the church, &#8220;&#8230;will He find faith?&#8221; In typical fashion on the night that he was betrayed he took the disciples to the Mount and there warned them to be diligent, but what he found was that they were still asleep. Love those living parables! Of course, if things had not gone the way the were planned the Jews would not have crucified the Lord of Glory, then where would we be?</p>
<p>From this and other places I gather we can expect more of the same, and the kingdom will be measured by the wise virgins who were prepared, not by those who were not.</p>
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		<title>By: Gordan</title>
		<link>http://shepherdtheflock.com/2008/01/21/christianity-is-just-so-simpleright/#comment-1486</link>
		<author>Gordan</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2008 13:14:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Nathan,

I have given a lot of thought to this topic, and you and Thomas have captured most of it more concisely here than I could. As a pastor, at least temporarily, I am horrified by the growing belief that a large portion of my congregation is a group of those seals Thomas mentioned above.

When we ask, How did it get like this? I always wind up back at the assertion Tom Ascol has repeatedly made: that is, that American evangelicalism is in danger of losing the Gospel altogether. (Paul Washer would be a bit more pointed than that, not without cause...)

The fact that the cross rarely offends anymore in America (by the design of preachers) has at least two implications here:

1. The churches are bloated with false converts who know nothing of the repentance unto life, and

2. The unbelieving response to the pseudo-gospel is a collective yawn. Not only do they not persecute in response to a cross-less gospel, but there is really no reason to care about it one way or the other. Thus the church and world get along just fine.

I'm saying the comfort that is killing us can be traced back to a message that does not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nathan,</p>
<p>I have given a lot of thought to this topic, and you and Thomas have captured most of it more concisely here than I could. As a pastor, at least temporarily, I am horrified by the growing belief that a large portion of my congregation is a group of those seals Thomas mentioned above.</p>
<p>When we ask, How did it get like this? I always wind up back at the assertion Tom Ascol has repeatedly made: that is, that American evangelicalism is in danger of losing the Gospel altogether. (Paul Washer would be a bit more pointed than that, not without cause&#8230;)</p>
<p>The fact that the cross rarely offends anymore in America (by the design of preachers) has at least two implications here:</p>
<p>1. The churches are bloated with false converts who know nothing of the repentance unto life, and</p>
<p>2. The unbelieving response to the pseudo-gospel is a collective yawn. Not only do they not persecute in response to a cross-less gospel, but there is really no reason to care about it one way or the other. Thus the church and world get along just fine.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m saying the comfort that is killing us can be traced back to a message that does not.</p>
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		<title>By: Nathan White</title>
		<link>http://shepherdtheflock.com/2008/01/21/christianity-is-just-so-simpleright/#comment-1491</link>
		<author>Nathan White</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2008 02:27:49 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://shepherdtheflock.com/2008/01/21/christianity-is-just-so-simpleright/#comment-1491</guid>
					<description>Gordan said: &lt;blockquote&gt;The unbelieving response to the pseudo-gospel is a collective yawn. Not only do they not persecute in response to a cross-less gospel, but there is really no reason to care about it one way or the other. Thus the church and world get along just fine.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I have never thought of that before. The world not caring enough about weak, non-existent Christians, because there is nothing really Christian about them. Wow. Very convicting. I'm not persecuted at all...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gordan said:<br />
<blockquote>The unbelieving response to the pseudo-gospel is a collective yawn. Not only do they not persecute in response to a cross-less gospel, but there is really no reason to care about it one way or the other. Thus the church and world get along just fine.</p></blockquote>
<p>I have never thought of that before. The world not caring enough about weak, non-existent Christians, because there is nothing really Christian about them. Wow. Very convicting. I&#8217;m not persecuted at all&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Gordan</title>
		<link>http://shepherdtheflock.com/2008/01/21/christianity-is-just-so-simpleright/#comment-1493</link>
		<author>Gordan</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2008 12:48:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Nathan, I am in that boat with you, and I admit that it causes me to tremble. I am seriously wondering about my spiritual state when I see that the world doesn't seem to hate me at all, or even really care very much.

I am thinking that I've got to go on the offensive and start really picking the fight. You know who does get persecuted in America? Street preachers. I know, sometimes its because of the way they go about their business, and not the substance of what they're shouting, but out there is where the world is, and out in public is where they think they should be free from hearing your "religious propaganda."  Our blogs don't bother them, because they don't have to read us. 

I've got a plan in place and am simply waiting for the weather to coincide with my time off from work so that I can go and start getting it done in front of the local courthouse. I don't plan on being a jerk at all, but I do plan on making myself hard to ignore. While I'm waiting on God for that opportunity, I've started passing out gospel tracts like they're going out of style, which is a new thing for me (because I've always come up with theological reasons why the gospel tract is probably not really all that effective...) Anyway, I'm saying I'm determined to make them shut me up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nathan, I am in that boat with you, and I admit that it causes me to tremble. I am seriously wondering about my spiritual state when I see that the world doesn&#8217;t seem to hate me at all, or even really care very much.</p>
<p>I am thinking that I&#8217;ve got to go on the offensive and start really picking the fight. You know who does get persecuted in America? Street preachers. I know, sometimes its because of the way they go about their business, and not the substance of what they&#8217;re shouting, but out there is where the world is, and out in public is where they think they should be free from hearing your &#8220;religious propaganda.&#8221;  Our blogs don&#8217;t bother them, because they don&#8217;t have to read us. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve got a plan in place and am simply waiting for the weather to coincide with my time off from work so that I can go and start getting it done in front of the local courthouse. I don&#8217;t plan on being a jerk at all, but I do plan on making myself hard to ignore. While I&#8217;m waiting on God for that opportunity, I&#8217;ve started passing out gospel tracts like they&#8217;re going out of style, which is a new thing for me (because I&#8217;ve always come up with theological reasons why the gospel tract is probably not really all that effective&#8230;) Anyway, I&#8217;m saying I&#8217;m determined to make them shut me up.</p>
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		<title>By: Rod</title>
		<link>http://shepherdtheflock.com/2008/01/21/christianity-is-just-so-simpleright/#comment-1494</link>
		<author>Rod</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2008 16:09:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Ray Comfort seems to do a good job with public preaching, IMO.  A good balance between respecting others and public confrontation.

Should we take up a love offering for bail money, Gordon?  I think you're on the right track.  The world wants the gospel manageable--in a place they can ignore.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ray Comfort seems to do a good job with public preaching, IMO.  A good balance between respecting others and public confrontation.</p>
<p>Should we take up a love offering for bail money, Gordon?  I think you&#8217;re on the right track.  The world wants the gospel manageable&#8211;in a place they can ignore.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay Z</title>
		<link>http://shepherdtheflock.com/2008/01/21/christianity-is-just-so-simpleright/#comment-1495</link>
		<author>Jay Z</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2008 19:03:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I just love that his name is Ray COMFORT.  How appropriate:)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just love that his name is Ray COMFORT.  How appropriate:)</p>
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		<title>By: Vicki</title>
		<link>http://shepherdtheflock.com/2008/01/21/christianity-is-just-so-simpleright/#comment-1497</link>
		<author>Vicki</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2008 20:21:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Christianity is not simple, it's impossible. Only as we learn to abide in Him daily through His Word, will our hearts be changed and enabled to  live....it is not of ourself, so any man can boast, but it is an act of GRACE, living this Christian life. He wants to live THROUGH us, and if He's to do that, we must recognize our death with Him on the Cross, and then let His new life take root in us. Easy believism is rampant in this country, but that's not the gospel. Christianity is not an  imitation of Christ, either, but a surrendering to Him so that He might express His Life through us.

Another Atlantan! I'm  happy to find your blog!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Christianity is not simple, it&#8217;s impossible. Only as we learn to abide in Him daily through His Word, will our hearts be changed and enabled to  live&#8230;.it is not of ourself, so any man can boast, but it is an act of GRACE, living this Christian life. He wants to live THROUGH us, and if He&#8217;s to do that, we must recognize our death with Him on the Cross, and then let His new life take root in us. Easy believism is rampant in this country, but that&#8217;s not the gospel. Christianity is not an  imitation of Christ, either, but a surrendering to Him so that He might express His Life through us.</p>
<p>Another Atlantan! I&#8217;m  happy to find your blog!</p>
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		<title>By: Gordan</title>
		<link>http://shepherdtheflock.com/2008/01/21/christianity-is-just-so-simpleright/#comment-1499</link>
		<author>Gordan</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2008 23:44:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Rod,

I sincerely hope that bail money is not required...but then again I guess that's par for the course for what I'm pursuing.

Funny you should mention Ray Comfort, as it is his ministry, and specifically Way of the Master Radio, that's got me moving in this direction. (By God's grace, of course.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rod,</p>
<p>I sincerely hope that bail money is not required&#8230;but then again I guess that&#8217;s par for the course for what I&#8217;m pursuing.</p>
<p>Funny you should mention Ray Comfort, as it is his ministry, and specifically Way of the Master Radio, that&#8217;s got me moving in this direction. (By God&#8217;s grace, of course.)</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
		<link>http://shepherdtheflock.com/2008/01/21/christianity-is-just-so-simpleright/#comment-1500</link>
		<author>Robert</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 15:36:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Gordon,
I understand your resolve; don't let anything knock you off track. If you want to get a handle on street preaching, and being faithful check out this blog by a guy who preaches in sub-zero weather. He's rarely missed a friday for any reason...we could learn a lot from him both about faithfulness, and our prime motivation to preach...

&lt;a href="http://aformofsoundwords.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow"&gt;http://aformofsoundwords.blogspot.com/&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gordon,<br />
I understand your resolve; don&#8217;t let anything knock you off track. If you want to get a handle on street preaching, and being faithful check out this blog by a guy who preaches in sub-zero weather. He&#8217;s rarely missed a friday for any reason&#8230;we could learn a lot from him both about faithfulness, and our prime motivation to preach&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://aformofsoundwords.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://aformofsoundwords.blogspot.com/</a></p>
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