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	<title>Comments on: Church History Spotlight: George Whitefield, Part 1</title>
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		<title>By: Dr. James Willingham</title>
		<link>http://shepherdtheflock.com/2007/09/30/church-history-spotlight-george-whitefield-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-3350</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr. James Willingham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Mar 2009 02:48:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sirs:  It is good to read the comments about Whitefield.  I know something about his impact on the Baptists and a few other denominations.  It is said in history that he provided what was needed to unite the colonies, to make them one, which he did by his emphasis on the new birth.  A multitude of people up and down the east coast had a born again experience; it would provide the glue of similarity which would bind the colonials together when the time of the Revolution came.  That there were remarkable things done can be found in the record and accounts of the Awakenings.
One historian whose work I review recently reported that a free African American went to mock Whitefield (In Charleston) and Whitefield pointed at him as he quoted his text (Israel, prepare to meet thy God), the man was propelled backwards and passed out.  Whitefield appointed the pastor of the FBC of Charleston (Oliver Hart.  When the man awoke, he was brought to saving faith in Christ.  Remarkable!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sirs:  It is good to read the comments about Whitefield.  I know something about his impact on the Baptists and a few other denominations.  It is said in history that he provided what was needed to unite the colonies, to make them one, which he did by his emphasis on the new birth.  A multitude of people up and down the east coast had a born again experience; it would provide the glue of similarity which would bind the colonials together when the time of the Revolution came.  That there were remarkable things done can be found in the record and accounts of the Awakenings.<br />
One historian whose work I review recently reported that a free African American went to mock Whitefield (In Charleston) and Whitefield pointed at him as he quoted his text (Israel, prepare to meet thy God), the man was propelled backwards and passed out.  Whitefield appointed the pastor of the FBC of Charleston (Oliver Hart.  When the man awoke, he was brought to saving faith in Christ.  Remarkable!</p>
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		<title>By: Blessed of the Lord</title>
		<link>http://shepherdtheflock.com/2007/09/30/church-history-spotlight-george-whitefield-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-3342</link>
		<dc:creator>Blessed of the Lord</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2009 14:31:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While not taking sides, I noticed the dispute about the seeing in heaven quote, and found a source for it which I will present for the consideration of all...
http://www.singlespoon.org.au/history/whitefield.shtml 

[Whitefield] went to great lengths to heal the breach in relationship between him and the Wesleys. It was out of this great heart, this desire for peace with the Wesleys that the significant quote in Pratney comes. Pratney writes:

    One censorious Professor of religion, knowing the sharp theological differences between them, asked if Whitefield thought he would see John Wesley in heaven. &quot;I fear not,&quot; he said, &quot;he will be so near the throne and we at such a distance that we shall hardly get a sight of him.&quot; (Pratney p96) 

&quot;Revival: Principles to change the world&quot; by Winkie Pratney (Whitaker House1983) 
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I think it is incumbent upon us to not be so concerned about which Christian fights with which other Christian (current or past) but to love each other in Christ, as He loved us.  
John 13:34-35 A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another. By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another. 
CS</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While not taking sides, I noticed the dispute about the seeing in heaven quote, and found a source for it which I will present for the consideration of all&#8230;<br />
<a href="http://www.singlespoon.org.au/history/whitefield.shtml" rel="nofollow">http://www.singlespoon.org.au/history/whitefield.shtml</a> </p>
<p>[Whitefield] went to great lengths to heal the breach in relationship between him and the Wesleys. It was out of this great heart, this desire for peace with the Wesleys that the significant quote in Pratney comes. Pratney writes:</p>
<p>    One censorious Professor of religion, knowing the sharp theological differences between them, asked if Whitefield thought he would see John Wesley in heaven. &#8220;I fear not,&#8221; he said, &#8220;he will be so near the throne and we at such a distance that we shall hardly get a sight of him.&#8221; (Pratney p96) </p>
<p>&#8220;Revival: Principles to change the world&#8221; by Winkie Pratney (Whitaker House1983)<br />
~<br />
I think it is incumbent upon us to not be so concerned about which Christian fights with which other Christian (current or past) but to love each other in Christ, as He loved us.<br />
John 13:34-35 A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another. By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.<br />
CS</p>
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		<title>By: Ali</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ali</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jan 2009 21:31:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I LIKED THIS CITE B/C I THOUGHT IT WAS A GREAT RESEARCH PLACE FOR MY ESSAY! IT HELPED ME SEE &#039;BEHIND THE SCENES&#039; ON GEORGE WHITEFIELD!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I LIKED THIS CITE B/C I THOUGHT IT WAS A GREAT RESEARCH PLACE FOR MY ESSAY! IT HELPED ME SEE &#8216;BEHIND THE SCENES&#8217; ON GEORGE WHITEFIELD!</p>
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		<title>By: Dr. james willingham</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dr. james willingham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 03:34:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sir:  I have the pleasure of knowing descendants of converts of Mr. Whitefield.  A man and his mother were converted under Mr. Whitefield (I think it was in 1746).  The next year a brother of the man came from Scotland (he was under the influence of French Infidelity), and they encouraged him to hear Mr. Whitefield and he was also converted.  The first brother had a descenant who is a Southern Baptist Preacher (now in ill health), a personal friend.  The other brother had  descendants who are Presbyterians.  My wife worked for one of them.  The half has never been told about Mr. Whitefield.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sir:  I have the pleasure of knowing descendants of converts of Mr. Whitefield.  A man and his mother were converted under Mr. Whitefield (I think it was in 1746).  The next year a brother of the man came from Scotland (he was under the influence of French Infidelity), and they encouraged him to hear Mr. Whitefield and he was also converted.  The first brother had a descenant who is a Southern Baptist Preacher (now in ill health), a personal friend.  The other brother had  descendants who are Presbyterians.  My wife worked for one of them.  The half has never been told about Mr. Whitefield.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Powell (Aust)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Powell (Aust)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Nov 2008 01:29:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, after all that, who did answer the famous question &quot;will you see ... in Heaven?&quot; It seems that the answer is very humble which both camps hurry to claim but maybe it was not asked at all. Give me proof please.
As for the above comment that Wesley said nothing worth remembering only belitles himself and the Whitefieldiens something I think they would want to distance themselfes from.

Maybe this is this nothing more than a &quot;My Dad&#039;s better that your Dad&quot; argument? I like to think that even in their disagreements they loved each other in Christ. God certainly did.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, after all that, who did answer the famous question &#8220;will you see &#8230; in Heaven?&#8221; It seems that the answer is very humble which both camps hurry to claim but maybe it was not asked at all. Give me proof please.<br />
As for the above comment that Wesley said nothing worth remembering only belitles himself and the Whitefieldiens something I think they would want to distance themselfes from.</p>
<p>Maybe this is this nothing more than a &#8220;My Dad&#8217;s better that your Dad&#8221; argument? I like to think that even in their disagreements they loved each other in Christ. God certainly did.</p>
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		<title>By: D Christy</title>
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		<dc:creator>D Christy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 02:04:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear M Jolley:

Careful there.  You appear to be much enamored with Whitefield over Wesley.  They are mere men after all.  Don&#039;t forget that it was Whitefield who instigated the fued between the two men when he published a confidential conversation between the two men.  Some have called it &quot;arrogant&quot; and he humiliated Wesley publicly.  Yes, he did his best to reach out to Wesley and make amends to him, but this just goes to show that we must be careful of our words and actions, as they can do irrevocable harm to others.  Both men were called of God and served God with all of their heart -- they just didn&#039;t agree on doctrinal issues.  I&#039;m sure we all have some straightening out to be done in our beliefs when we get to heaven.  But they also found the common ground of faith in Christ to fellowship on -- and they always showed respect for one another&#039;s person and ministry, despite any personal differences.  It is encouraging to see that people that are so fully dedicated to God and passionate about His gospel, are also still working out their human faults before a merciful God.  It helps us see that when we see two ministers today in conflict or competition, that nothing much has changed -- we&#039;re all human after all.  And we are all subject to the same temptations of the flesh and elevating ourselves that man has been from the beginning.  Help us Lord!  It is Jesus who is perfect and who strengthens us to be the best we can be in Him.  What a legacy these two men have left the church -- not only in their generation, but for many to come, passing the torch of faith.  I thank God for them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear M Jolley:</p>
<p>Careful there.  You appear to be much enamored with Whitefield over Wesley.  They are mere men after all.  Don&#8217;t forget that it was Whitefield who instigated the fued between the two men when he published a confidential conversation between the two men.  Some have called it &#8220;arrogant&#8221; and he humiliated Wesley publicly.  Yes, he did his best to reach out to Wesley and make amends to him, but this just goes to show that we must be careful of our words and actions, as they can do irrevocable harm to others.  Both men were called of God and served God with all of their heart &#8212; they just didn&#8217;t agree on doctrinal issues.  I&#8217;m sure we all have some straightening out to be done in our beliefs when we get to heaven.  But they also found the common ground of faith in Christ to fellowship on &#8212; and they always showed respect for one another&#8217;s person and ministry, despite any personal differences.  It is encouraging to see that people that are so fully dedicated to God and passionate about His gospel, are also still working out their human faults before a merciful God.  It helps us see that when we see two ministers today in conflict or competition, that nothing much has changed &#8212; we&#8217;re all human after all.  And we are all subject to the same temptations of the flesh and elevating ourselves that man has been from the beginning.  Help us Lord!  It is Jesus who is perfect and who strengthens us to be the best we can be in Him.  What a legacy these two men have left the church &#8212; not only in their generation, but for many to come, passing the torch of faith.  I thank God for them.</p>
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		<title>By: Shepherd the Flock &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Keeping a Diary: Church History Spotlight Part 2: G.Whitefield</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shepherd the Flock &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Keeping a Diary: Church History Spotlight Part 2: G.Whitefield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2007 23:23:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] up where I left off in Part 1 of this look at George Whitefield, I&#8217;d like to point out how Whitefield kept a strict account [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Kevin Williams</title>
		<link>http://shepherdtheflock.com/2007/09/30/church-history-spotlight-george-whitefield-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-1366</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin Williams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2007 08:40:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A few weeks ago, I saw a painting  of George Whitfield preaching at a hanging. I bet he wasn&#039;t saying &quot;God loves you and has a wonderful plan for your life&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A few weeks ago, I saw a painting  of George Whitfield preaching at a hanging. I bet he wasn&#8217;t saying &#8220;God loves you and has a wonderful plan for your life&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: M Jolley</title>
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		<dc:creator>M Jolley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 18:03:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear George,

I&#039;m afriad that Wesley is not quite the great Christian leader he is portrayed as today. No doubt he was a mighty man of God, and we will all sit at his feet in glory, metaphorically speaking, but he had many considerable faults, none less than the way he treated Whitefield, and certianly the way he abused Augustus Toplady. The quote you attribute to Wesley was in fact spoken by Whitefield about Wesley. If you know anything of the history, unfortunately Wesley&#039;s treatment of Whitefield ocassionally bordered on the scandalous. I&#039;m not going to argue the point; except to say that history has been re-written by many Wesleyans to Whitefields discredit. Who was the first to be converted? Who was the first to begin open air preaching? Who was the instrument used of God to begin the great revival? Who coined the term methodist and was the known in their lifetime as its leader? Who was superior as a preacher and theologian? Who was the one who showed great conduct when mistreated by the other? Whitefield everytime. 
The only reason I think this is important is because we need to a return in the church today to the faith and practice of Whitefield, instead of Wesley. Whitefield has suffered a great deal to his reputation because Wesley is often credited with the things Whitefield in fact accomplished.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear George,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m afriad that Wesley is not quite the great Christian leader he is portrayed as today. No doubt he was a mighty man of God, and we will all sit at his feet in glory, metaphorically speaking, but he had many considerable faults, none less than the way he treated Whitefield, and certianly the way he abused Augustus Toplady. The quote you attribute to Wesley was in fact spoken by Whitefield about Wesley. If you know anything of the history, unfortunately Wesley&#8217;s treatment of Whitefield ocassionally bordered on the scandalous. I&#8217;m not going to argue the point; except to say that history has been re-written by many Wesleyans to Whitefields discredit. Who was the first to be converted? Who was the first to begin open air preaching? Who was the instrument used of God to begin the great revival? Who coined the term methodist and was the known in their lifetime as its leader? Who was superior as a preacher and theologian? Who was the one who showed great conduct when mistreated by the other? Whitefield everytime.<br />
The only reason I think this is important is because we need to a return in the church today to the faith and practice of Whitefield, instead of Wesley. Whitefield has suffered a great deal to his reputation because Wesley is often credited with the things Whitefield in fact accomplished.</p>
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		<title>By: George Wallace</title>
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		<dc:creator>George Wallace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 14:48:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for this brief glimpse of such a passionate and driven man of God!   I will say that your statement:</p>
<p>“John Wesley, who plays a prominent role in the life of Whitefield (and who rarely says anything worth remembering),…”</p>
<p>Seems a bit harsh and disparaging toward John Wesley; I believe that besides having admiration of George Whitefield for his unswerving commitment and preaching we should also look to him and John Wesley on how to handle disagreements within the Body of Christ.  They passionately disagreed over “Free Grace” yet they always spoke highly of each other.  Wesley preached Whitefield funeral.  I cannot find the quote I once read, so I will paraphrase.  When Wesley was asked if he thought that he would see George Whitefield in heaven, he said he doubted that he would be able to see him as George Whitefield’s place in heaven would be so much closer to the Thrown of God than his.  Since without a source the above paraphrase/story amounts to urban legend here is a quote from Mr. Whitefield pertaining to Mr. Wesley: </p>
<p>&#8220;The good Mr. John Wesley has done in America is inexpressible. His name is very precious among the people; and he has laid a foundation that I hope neither men nor devils will ever be able to shake.&#8221;</p>
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