Comments on: Conclusion on the Sabbath http://shepherdtheflock.com/2007/08/13/conclusion-on-the-sabbath/ "Shepherd the flock of God that is among you, exercising oversight, not under compulsion, but willingly, as God would have you...” Sat, 11 Oct 2008 19:04:52 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.1.2 By: Andrew Lindsey http://shepherdtheflock.com/2007/08/13/conclusion-on-the-sabbath/#comment-732 Andrew Lindsey Tue, 14 Aug 2007 12:57:41 +0000 http://shepherdtheflock.com/2007/08/13/conclusion-on-the-sabbath/#comment-732 best summary I've seen on this issue, Nate. -Thanks for this post! best summary I’ve seen on this issue, Nate.
-Thanks for this post!

]]> By: magnus http://shepherdtheflock.com/2007/08/13/conclusion-on-the-sabbath/#comment-733 magnus Tue, 14 Aug 2007 13:46:47 +0000 http://shepherdtheflock.com/2007/08/13/conclusion-on-the-sabbath/#comment-733 That was great work that you did on this. Will you ever talk or write about then what that means to believers? Meaning what can one do and what one can not do on the Sabbath. What then are the implications to Christians that have to wrok on Sunday? Could you go to football games? Would like to see you complete this study with that stuff. magnus That was great work that you did on this. Will you ever talk or write about then what that means to believers? Meaning what can one do and what one can not do on the Sabbath. What then are the implications to Christians that have to wrok on Sunday? Could you go to football games?

Would like to see you complete this study with that stuff.

magnus

]]> By: JP http://shepherdtheflock.com/2007/08/13/conclusion-on-the-sabbath/#comment-734 JP Tue, 14 Aug 2007 14:27:47 +0000 http://shepherdtheflock.com/2007/08/13/conclusion-on-the-sabbath/#comment-734 Nathan, This is extremely well written and particularly so in Facts 5 & 8...it is crucially important to see Sabbath, Work and Marriage as being Creation ordinances with permanent effect. Magnus, to answer many of your questions regarding the use of the Sabbath I reccomend Joseph Pipa's book "TheLord's Day". It may just be a turn of phrase in your comment, but for too many Christians (I say this not to be picky against you personally or your comment, at least you're asking the question which is commendable!) Sabbath keeping is all about questions about what they can or cannot do....that's starting at the wrong end....we need to ask the question "What does God POSITIVELY require of me in my Sabbath keeping?"...and I suggest that if we did what God required of us as perhaps espoused in the Larger Catechism, we would not have time for Sabbath-breaking activities. As to Christians who work on the Sabbath, well the confessions and the majority of Sabbath keeping Christians have believed that it is legitimate only to do works of mercy and necessity on the Sabbath. All other works except in more extreme circumstances should be ceased. Again..I reccomend Pipa's book on this part of the subject. JP Nathan,

This is extremely well written and particularly so in Facts 5 & 8…it is crucially important to see Sabbath, Work and Marriage as being Creation ordinances with permanent effect.

Magnus, to answer many of your questions regarding the use of the Sabbath I reccomend Joseph Pipa’s book “TheLord’s Day”. It may just be a turn of phrase in your comment, but for too many Christians (I say this not to be picky against you personally or your comment, at least you’re asking the question which is commendable!) Sabbath keeping is all about questions about what they can or cannot do….that’s starting at the wrong end….we need to ask the question “What does God POSITIVELY require of me in my Sabbath keeping?”…and I suggest that if we did what God required of us as perhaps espoused in the Larger Catechism, we would not have time for Sabbath-breaking activities.

As to Christians who work on the Sabbath, well the confessions and the majority of Sabbath keeping Christians have believed that it is legitimate only to do works of mercy and necessity on the Sabbath. All other works except in more extreme circumstances should be ceased.
Again..I reccomend Pipa’s book on this part of the subject.

JP

]]> By: magnus http://shepherdtheflock.com/2007/08/13/conclusion-on-the-sabbath/#comment-737 magnus Tue, 14 Aug 2007 16:59:09 +0000 http://shepherdtheflock.com/2007/08/13/conclusion-on-the-sabbath/#comment-737 one more thing i would like to get your thoughts on. II Corinthians 3:7 where Paul was talking about the Law engraved on stones, referring to the 10 commandments i would think. could one not use that to build the case for not observing the Sabbath now. Seeing as in Rom 13:8-10 he list some of the 10 but not all and not the Sabbath? Magnus one more thing i would like to get your thoughts on.

II Corinthians 3:7 where Paul was talking about the Law engraved on stones, referring to the 10 commandments i would think.

could one not use that to build the case for not observing the Sabbath now. Seeing as in Rom 13:8-10 he list some of the 10 but not all and not the Sabbath?

Magnus

]]> By: JP http://shepherdtheflock.com/2007/08/13/conclusion-on-the-sabbath/#comment-739 JP Tue, 14 Aug 2007 19:00:39 +0000 http://shepherdtheflock.com/2007/08/13/conclusion-on-the-sabbath/#comment-739 Magnus, I think Romans 13 deals just with the second table of the Law, the man-ward, not the God-ward, so I don't think it directly bears on the subject one way or the other. My immediate response on the Corinthians text is that we need to take in the whole context and especially compare verse 2 and verse 7...the law as written on stone could never be kept unto salvation....but the regenerate have it now written on their hearts by the Spirit..and now they can keep. The letter kills but the Spirit makes alive. Again I think the context is not really primarily arguing for or against full law keeping, but merely (importantly) pointing out that dependence on law keeping for salvation could never save, where as depending on Christ (v4) certainly will. I'll have a wee think more about it though. In summary I think contextually both these texts are not directly related to the subject. But it's good to think these things through. JP Magnus,

I think Romans 13 deals just with the second table of the Law, the man-ward, not the God-ward, so I don’t think it directly bears on the subject one way or the other.

My immediate response on the Corinthians text is that we need to take in the whole context and especially compare verse 2 and verse 7…the law as written on stone could never be kept unto salvation….but the regenerate have it now written on their hearts by the Spirit..and now they can keep. The letter kills but the Spirit makes alive. Again I think the context is not really primarily arguing for or against full law keeping, but merely (importantly) pointing out that dependence on law keeping for salvation could never save, where as depending on Christ (v4) certainly will.

I’ll have a wee think more about it though. In summary I think contextually both these texts are not directly related to the subject. But it’s good to think these things through.

JP

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